Sunday, December 12, 2010

Deck recover or replacement ? Review of a recover deck project in Clinton Twp MI

 Hello again ... Sorry we have taken so long to update our blog site. We have been in a mad dash to finish up our work before winter sets in here in Michigan.

Well onto our next project from this summer ( we have been reviewing most of the projects we have done this year 2010.)

 This project is a re-cover project the homeowner was working with a budget in mind and replacing the complete deck was not in their budget range. The under carriage or sub-frame ( Joists, Beams, Main support posts, and Footings ) were in good shape and they were only about 10-15 years old so we could save the homeowner some money by re-using the under carriage. (re-cover) Where as a (replacement) you have the added cost of the removal of the complete deck, new footings, new main support posts, beams, and joist.

Some things to consider on deck re-covers

1) Deck Joist spacing:

 On this project the joist were 2' on center which is the maximum joist span allowed for most all deck boards, the old decking was 2x4 and we replaced the decking with 2x6 Cedar. All deck boards have a span rating such as 12" on center, 16" on center, and 24" on center are the most common deck framing.

2) Deck Footings:

Footings are the main concern in re-cover projects, they are the first thing I look at when I am on a estimate. I believe if there is any frost heave of the footings/posts, rot of the main support posts, or over spanning of the beams I always recommend replacing the deck.

3) The decking products:

Most common recovers are from a old wood deck to some type of Composite or PVC decking. So how the old deck was framed and built will affect your choice or you will need to modify your exist framing to compensate for the new decking or railings manufactures specifications. Deck board spans, framing code compliance of the old deck, and the angle you intend to run your decking will need to be consider. Check the manufactures specifications and the local code authority.

4) Budget:

How does a replacement deck verses a recover deck compare, how much will you save?  I have never seen a new house built on a old foundation, but I have seen some really nice additions work out built on the original foundation. I usually quote both ways if the deck inspection is ok, and we let the home owner's budget dictate the outcome.

Hope that helps you make the best decision when it comes time to re-cover or replace your deck.

Now back to the project in Clinton Twp. MI     

In the picture below we have already removed the old deck boards, we doubled each joist with a new joist just as a pre-caution,  we have also removed all the old railings and installed new Cedar railing post that are recessed and blocked into the frame. 

Here we have just installed the two tiered 1x6 Cedar fascia boards which cover all the treated frame work

                                                        We are starting to install the railings.

The homeowner wanted to pick up the beige and white brick color of the house with the Cedar and white metal baluster combo.

The railing posts are 4x4 Cedar cut at 42" tall, the top and bottom rails are Cedar 2x4 cut to size.

The baluster connectors are spaced at 4.5" and attached with a stainless screw. The white 3/4 round Deckorators aluminum balusters slide into the connectors.

You also can see the decorative post skirt and the picture frame border. 

Finished railings with the Cedar decorative post caps. Under the center of the bottom rail is a small baluster squash block to protect from sagging of the bottom railing.           
The last note on this project is a request by the homeowner to build a fenced in area off the deck to enclose their small dog. They wanted the fence to match the deck railing which was kind of unique.

 We set all the fence posts 42" below grade, and cement them in, and we ran long threaded rods thru the center baluster of each fence section, the balusters are hollow inside so there was room to run a 3/8s threaded thru bolt with a nut washer on each end.

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Friday, October 1, 2010

A new walk out cedar deck

Sorry for not keeping up with the blog, It has been about a month since we have last updated the blog. We have been busy on a large project for the last 3 weeks, and that is what we are going to review today.

This project is up in Port Huron MI.  It is in a very hilly area, around the Black River, kinda feels like being up north in Michigan. There is extreme grade changes under the deck, one side is about 30" off of grade, and the other side is about 9' off of grade. On both sides of the deck there is 30' - 40' drop off cliffs, so site access was a challenge.

Here is a before picture   

The design pictures

We demo'ed the old deck in about 4 hours, it was all cantilevered framing from the house joist. There was only one support post on the old deck, we had to add 21 posts with post hole footings.

With the extreme grade conditions, and some Ivy ground cover under the new deck space, Digging the post hole footings was not much fun.

After day two we had the footings done and it took the rest of the week to complete framing portion of the deck, which was around 800 sq ft.

In week two we started by installing  the deck boards(all screws), on the upper level.  There is three seperate areas where the decking is running on 45 degree angles and separated by center seam boards to avoid butt joints.

Once we installed the decking on both levels we cut in the picture frame border

 The opposite 45 degree angles with the center seam board.

Next we went onto installing the two tiered fascia and rail posts

Finally we installed the 2x4 builders railings with posts caps and deckorators classic balusters. We also pre-stained the 2x4 rails and 4x4 posts with Messmers UV Plus natural cedar.

Now we are into week 3 where we built the stairs, and completly stained the deck

A few final pictures from the roof

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Saturday, September 4, 2010

A couple of cedar decks

Hello ....

 Here is a few pictures of a couple of cedar deck we have just finished

The first one is in Sterling Heights MI.   The homeowner removed the old deck and designed the new deck.

 Framing picture, notice the latter framing for the seam board and the picture frame border  
5/4 cedar decking, rail posts and fascia's installed 

Cedar planter box, built from tongue and groove 1x6, 1x4 trim and deck board top cap. The planter boxes are removable for watering and planting. 

Our standard cedar 2x4 builders rail. 4x4 cedar posts, 2x4 top and bottom rails, cedar post skirts, 3/4 round deckorators bronze balusters, 5/4 deck board top cap.

We usually have the homeowner pre-stain the 2x4 rails before we install the balusters so you don't have to cut in around all the balusters, (red stain color rails)

Finished pictures


Cedar deck # 2

Balcony deck in Chesterfield Twp. MI

Just a few pictures of a simple square 14x16 cedar deck with 2' cut corners.

The design

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Monday, August 16, 2010

Cass City MI... New cedar deck and pergola

Hello again, here is our latest project. 16x24 Cedar deck with a pergola, way up into the thumb of Michigan. First I would like to Thank Mr. and Mrs. P. for hiring us for the project. We have never had any nicer customer then they were to us, a complete pleasure to work for!

Here is the design

Here a few framing pictures

Working on the decking and pergola
Railings in

Pergola rafter cuts

Stamped concrete walkway

Final pictures

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